wrong timmings - I duno

[Colroyd]

Hi Guys I have
gigabyte GA-p35-s3g MB, INTEL core 2 duo e8400
Memory is OCZ DDR2 PC2 8500
I used to pc2 5300 memory installed. I have changed the timings 5-5-5-15 as it says on the labels of the OCZ dims but memtest is saying its pc2 5300 running at 333 MHZ
I`m unsure what gives here and what to do here's my settings.
these have been set by me in auto it comes up with something silly like 5-7-7-24 (i think they are them)
CAS Latency Time 5 / Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay 5 / Dram RAS# Precharge Delay (trp) 5 / Precharge Delay (tRAS) 15

All advanced timings in bios are set to auto as i`m not sure what they are supposed to be but i`m guessing its reading wrong as the other timings were wrong if left to auto setting
refresh cycle time trfc 56 / performance level 5 / Write to Precharge Delay 16 / write to read delayed (twtr) 12 / ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD) 4 / Write to READ Delay trd_wr 8 / Read to Precharge Delay trtp 6 / Refresh period (tref) 4160 / Command rate 2T
Sorry if i`ve left anything out here. I`m not breifed on this stuff. I have run 3dmark 06 on this both with 5300 dimms and with the new 8500 dims. the 5300 dimms that were in pc from new score better than the replacement 8500 dimms !!!

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: wrong timmings - I duno

What does the Memory Tab of CPU-z show, not the SPD Tab.

Did you change your System Memory Multiplier in the BIOS yet, if not that may be why they are still running at 667Mhz as you see in Memtest

[Colroyd]

Re: wrong timmings - I duno

Hey LSD, how the H*** are you?
I didn't change anything but the 5-5-5-15 in the Bios. Don't know what I`m doing with it dude. I tried reading up on it but gave up when I kept going around circles. Sys performance isn't good really, 3dmark results are rubbish unless all gfx turned down and std res.
below is the dump from CPU

Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 2048 MBytes
Channels Dual (Symmetric)
Memory Frequency 533.4 MHz (5:8)
CAS# 5.0
RAS# to CAS# 5
RAS# Precharge 5
Cycle Time (tRAS) 15
Command Rate 2T

What do you think dude

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: wrong timmings - I duno

That shows they are running at 1066Mhz. If you need more help please tell me the issue and give me your full settings you are using.

Sorry for the late reply here, I rarely have time to get out of the Gigabyte section >>>

This is Just a template I use to ask people their settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8] 
Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.5]
CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [450] 
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]
C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.00]
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

Performance Enhance = [Standard]

CAS Latency Time________________ 
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 

ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 
Rank Write to READ Delay________ 
Write to Precharge Delay_________ 
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 
Read to Precharge Delay__________
Static tRead Value_______________
Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]


System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.300V] 
PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1V] 
FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1V] 
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1V] 
CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.25]

Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC

Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

[Colroyd]

Re: wrong timmings - I duno

Hi LSD,
Many thanks for getting back to me dude. I understand you are really busy so no worries about the delay.

So below is the info you requested. Yes it would appear that its running at its correct settings now but I cant help but feel somewhat disappointed as to the final performance with the new DDR2 8500 ram. Anyways I would be grateful to you if you could give this a once over and if you have any suggestions as to what I can do to maybe get a bit more but without the cooling issues.

I`m really stuck on this one maybe there is something not set right I am afraid I just don't know.

So back to you my Friend

Russ

Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Turbo]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [9]
Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.5] GREYED OUT
CPU Host Clock Control_ [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [333]
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [AUTO]
C.I.A. 2__________________________ [N/A]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [AUTO]
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

Performance Enhance = [TURBO]

CAS Latency Time________________ 5
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 5
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______ 5
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 15

ALL AUTO
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 4
Rank Write to READ Delay________ 4
Write to Precharge Delay_________ 8
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 56
Read to Precharge Delay__________4
Static tRead Value_______________6
Static tRead Phase Adjust________ 0

ALL AUTO
System Voltage Control____ [AUTO]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ []
PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ []
FSB OverVoltage Control___ []
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control []
CPU Voltage Control_______ []

Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [N/A]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [N/A]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Enabled]

Where "N/A" appears setting is not available in my bios.
Where "Greyed out" appears option is exactly that "Greyed Out"

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: wrong timmings - I duno

Well the S3 is pretty much a budget board, so not sure how much can be expected from it, but since you are at stock speeds you should not be having issues.

Can you please give me the model # of this ram, or a link to it just so I can be sure of suggested voltages.

Is this 2x1, 4x1, or 2x2GB ram?

What BIOS version are you using? And did you properly flash to it, meaning after the flash you loaded and applied optimized defaults and then rebooted back to the BIOS to make changes?

Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto or Fast]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [9]
Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.5] GREYED OUT
CPU Host Clock Control_ [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [333]
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]

System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [3.20B] =1066Mhz
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

Performance Enhance = [TURBO] << Voltages below and this are likely your issue, set to Standard for now

CAS Latency Time________________ 5
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 5
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______ 5
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 15/18

ALL AUTO
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 3-4
Rank Write to READ Delay________ 3-6
Write to Precharge Delay_________ 4-6
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 52-62
Read to Precharge Delay_________3-5
Static tRead Value_______________6 << Set 7-10 for now
Static tRead Phase Adjust________ 0 << Always Auto/Zero

ALL AUTO
System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.2-0.3V] = 2.0-2.1V Check your ram sticker, or give me the info requested above. Auto is a issue here as it will set 1.8V and that is for sure not enough for 1066Mhz ram

PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1]
FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1]
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1] << If you are using 4x1 or 2x2GB you will need +0.2-0.3

CPU Voltage Control_______ []

Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [N/A]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [N/A]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Enabled] << Disable for now, you will need to re-enable this later if you want to Qflash

[Colroyd]

Re: wrong timings - I dunno

Hey LSD,

How are you dude? All well I hope. I have flashed my bios to the latest version F5b from F4 and their was no difference man. I flashed and I reset it in the hope of it picking everything up by this I mean reset using the jumper on the board. Then i loaded the optimised settings then after re-boot made my adjustments. Still no difference!

The updated RAM is OCZ Technology 2X1GBKIT 240PIN PC2-8500 DDR2 OCZ2N1066SR2GK

I have 2X1gb strips and they are set up in slots 1 & 3 for the dual thing, (ya know what i mean).

I know that 3Dmarks cant be relied on 100% but its all i have to compare it between old memory and new. And what I cant understand is` its scored better with the old memory! The only thing that it doesn't do now is freeze up in game play. Its just not right man and i don't know why.

I know and agree that this MB is crap but at the moment I cant really do anything about it, I will in time though and i have plans on a dual SLI capable board.

Any suggestions mate will be really appreciated, I would go with a mild OC but with direction because i don't have a clue in that department and I don't want to go to the extremes of changing coolers or anything like at the moment. I do have intentions of changing some bits towards the end of the year, MB another GFX for SLI are the main ones maybe even a quad core. But none of this for awhile yet.

Once again many thanks for your time, I think its a great thing that your doing here.

Look forward to hearing back from ya.

Russ

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: wrong timmings - I duno

Well thanks, lets try a small overclock then to 3.4, shouldn't need much if any extra Vcore. But do keep in mind you might, so dont give up if one or two bumps do not work. Are you using stock cooler then?

Ram timings will change a little, thanks for the link

Old memory, what was that kit?

See if you can get this overclock going >>>>

Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto or Fast]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8]
Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.0] GREYED OUT
CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [425] = 3.4Ghz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]

System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.40B] =1020Mhz

OR

CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8]
Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.5] GREYED OUT
CPU Host Clock Control_ [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [401] = 3.4Ghz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [100]

System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [2.66D] =1066Mhz

DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Manual]

Performance Enhance = [TURBO] << Voltages below and this are likely your issue, set to Standard for now

CAS Latency Time________________ 5
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 5
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______ 5
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 15/18

ALL AUTO
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ 3-4 << 3 should be ok
Rank Write to READ Delay________ 3-6 << Set 5 for now
Write to Precharge Delay_________ 4-6 << Set 6 for now
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ 38-48 << Set 48 for now
Read to Precharge Delay_________3-5 << Set 4 for now
Static tRead Value_______________7-10<< Set 8-9
Static tRead Phase Adjust________ 0 << Always Auto/Zero

ALL AUTO
System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [+0.3V - 0.4] = 2.1-2.2V

PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [+0.1]
FSB OverVoltage Control___ [+0.1] << Set for stability
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [+0.1] << Set for stability

CPU Voltage Control_______ [1.25-1.35] << All depends on your CPU, try manually setting stock value first, if no luck try more of course

Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled] << Disable
C2/C2E State Support....................: [N/A]
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [N/A]
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled] <<< Disable
Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled]

Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect___________________[Enabled] << Disable for now, you will need to re-enable this later if you want to Qflash

[Colroyd]

Re: wrong timings - I dunno

Hi LSD

Tried the settings that you showed me
I`ve changed the setting in the bios and upon re-boot it almost gets to post then shuts down and restarts. (with a few seconds off, I did worry if it would restart for a moment)

Then when it hits the post screen the bios settings have reverted back to what they were previously. Then it boots with no problems. I tried to take to 3.4G using Easy tune with that it freezes up about 5 seconds after hitting the go button.

So I left the CPU clock alone and just changed the advanced timings and there was no difference in performance.

I have two thoughts here my friend.
a) whats the possibilities of my MB being dud, but if it was would it not boot at all?

b) I have put the maximum memory in that the board will take pc28500 @ 1066Mhz. GB list the memory as being compatible to the board but then manufacturer's do crap like that.

Do you think i maybe should be running PC26400 @ 800Mhz instead?

Yes the cooler on the CPU is stock and according to speed fan all temps are well under and shouldn't be getting stressed at all. (unlike me)

The more I think about this and the more time it consumes the more I think to scrap this board as its "CRAP" and replace with something better and SLI compatible. What are your thoughts here and do I have to go with an Nvidia chipset for SLI?

Look forward to hearing from you mate.

Russ

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: wrong timmings - I duno

Well it is not a dud, just not a great overclocker is all.

You may have better luck using 800Mhz or so on your ram. What exact settings did you try that I suggested? You sure you gave it enough Vcore?

SLI, nope you can get a X58 setup if you like. Several of them are SLI Boards. Other then that all the P35/45 boards are crossfire only. You would have to pick a Nvidia chipset board to use SLI if you do not go X58 and i7

[Colroyd]

Re: wrong timmings - I duno

Hi dude, I tried the settings that you gave me the only thing i couldn't do was the "
PCI-E OverVoltage Control" as its not present in the Bios. As I said mate it wouldn't go past post with the settings without rebooting & resetting and even when i tried using GB OC software it just locked solid and did nothing at all. That needed a push of the reset button to power off. Maybe I missed something but I`m pretty sure i didn't.

This ram is that SLI with that auto set up for boards that accept it is that a possibility?
I cant afford the new I7 chip for a while so I am thinking of keeping my 8400 at the moment and just changing the board.

Russ