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**profJim** · 05-05-2009, 02:28 PM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

Your problem is probably related to (G)MCH OverVoltage Control and DRAM OverVoltage settings.
Set DRAM Overvoltage to +0.10
Set (G)MCH OverVoltage to +0.10

Mixing different brands or speeds of ram is not recommended.

Your ram's link needs cleaning up, just the http//:.... geil info.

**qutlacha** · 05-05-2009, 02:59 PM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

Thanks profJim for fast response.
Tried both settings you suggested - no success - BSOD again.

**profJim** · 05-05-2009, 03:32 PM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

Post your current bios settings using this P35 bios template.
Fill in your bios settings and specify AUTO where appropriate.
Also add the "normal" values displayed in your bios.

Try booting with only 1 memory module installed.
If successful, post a screenshot with:
Memset using SPD and ">>" tabs
cpu-z main screen

Include your hardware list in your forum signature.

**qutlacha** · 05-05-2009, 05:27 PM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

Thanks again for helping me and here are my BIOS settings

Robust Graphics Booster___________ [Auto]
CPU Clock Ratio ____________ [8]
Fine Clock Ratio ____________[0.5] - I don't have this setting in my bios
CPU Host Clock Control_ [Disabled]
CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ [333]
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [Auto]
C.I.A. 2__________________________ [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ [Auto]
DRAM Timing Selectable_______ SPD __ [Auto]
Performance Enhance = [Standard]
CAS Latency Time________________ 5
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay_________ 5
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______5
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 15
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD)_________ Auto
Rank Write to READ Delay________ Auto
Write to Precharge Delay_________ Auto
Refresh to ACT Delay______________ Auto
Read to Precharge Delay__________ Auto
Static tRead Value_______________ Auto
Static tRead Phase Adjust________ [Auto]
System Voltage Control____ [Manual]
DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ [Normal] - tried +0.1
PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ [Normal]
FSB OverVoltage Control___ [Normal]
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [Normal] - tried +0.1
CPU Voltage Control_______ [Normal]
Normal CPU Vcore __________ 1.30000V
Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Enabled]
C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled] - don't have this setting in my bios
x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled] - don't have this setting in my bios
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function.........................: [Enabled]
Virtualization Technology................: [Enabled]
Integrated Peripherals
Legacy USB Storage Detect_________________[Enabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

And some cpu-z pictures with one 2gb Geil module (as I said before, if I
install only one 2gb module, the system works OK, but as soon as I add another - random BSOD within OS)

Attached Files

cpuz4.jpg (0, 461 views)

**profJim** · 05-05-2009, 06:40 PM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [Auto] <-- set to 100
Legacy USB Storage Detect________ [Enabled] <-- set to Disabled

Test with the above settings. If there's no change:
CPU Voltage Control_______ [Normal] <-- set to 1.35000 (max Intel spec is 1.50000 for your E6750)

Test with the above settings. If there's no change:
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [Normal] - tried +0.1 <-- try +0.1 again, try +0.2 only if +0.1 fails again

Please add your current hardware specs to your forum signature, it makes it much easier for us.

Once your system is stable, we can provide some memory settings to optimize your setup.

**qutlacha** · 05-05-2009, 06:46 PM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

Thanks, going to try right away
P.S. I added my harware specs in signature, don't know why are they missing :(

EDIT: DOUGH.... it's OK now :)

**qutlacha** · 05-05-2009, 07:19 PM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ [Auto] <-- set to 100
Legacy USB Storage Detect________ [Enabled] <-- set to Disabled

Result: Booted into OS, try to stress system - BSOD

Test with the above settings. If there's no change:
CPU Voltage Control_______ [Normal] <-- set to 1.35000 (max Intel spec is 1.50000 for your E6750)

Result: Same as above, booted into OS, try to stress system - BSOD

Test with the above settings. If there's no change:
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control [Normal] - tried +0.1 <-- try +0.1 again, try +0.2 only if +0.1 fails again

Tried first with MCH +0.1
Result: Booted into OS, try to stress system - BSOD, but not right away.

Tried with MCH + 0.2
Result: Booted into OS, try to stress system - BSOD, right away.

Pulled out one stick of RAM, booted into OS, try to stress system - System stable.
:(

**profJim** · 05-05-2009, 08:32 PM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

I assume that you're testing with your Geil ram, even though your signature lists the NCP 2x1GB ram.

Leave MCH Core = +0.10

If you're using the Geil ram, change:
DRAM Timing Selectable___ SPD __ [Auto] <-- set to MANUAL
CAS Latency Time_______________ 5 <-- set to 6
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay________ 5 <-- set to 6
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______5 <-- set to 6
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 15 <-- set to 18

If the above doesn't work:
FSB OverVoltage Control_________ [Normal] <-- set to +0.1 (This setting is usually necessary only when overclocking)

Geil is normally good ram, but I've seen several other setups that upgraded to this model of ram have problems.

**Psycho101** · 05-05-2009, 10:49 PM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

Sorry to interupt the troubleshooting, but did you happen to use "Load optimised Defaults" after you added the Geil RAM?
You may well have done it straight away, but I could not see you mention it.

*Edit* Forget that. I should have read your first post better...

The RAM you have should be good to nearly 1000MHz at 5-5-5-15, but slackening everything off could be worth a go. For "Value RAM" that Geil is really rather good stuff, as long as the board likes it. My cousin has 4 GB at 980Mhz, 5-4-4-12.

**qutlacha** · 05-06-2009, 03:04 PM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

Originally posted by profJim View Post

I assume that you're testing with your Geil ram, even though your signature lists the NCP 2x1GB ram.

Leave MCH Core = +0.10

If you're using the Geil ram, change:
DRAM Timing Selectable___ SPD __ [Auto] <-- set to MANUAL
CAS Latency Time_______________ 5 <-- set to 6
Dram RAS# to CAS# Delay________ 5 <-- set to 6
Dram RAS# Precharge Delay_______5 <-- set to 6
Precharge Delay (tRAS)__________ 15 <-- set to 18

If the above doesn't work:
FSB OverVoltage Control_________ [Normal] <-- set to +0.1 (This setting is usually necessary only when overclocking)

Geil is normally good ram, but I've seen several other setups that upgraded to this model of ram have problems.

Sorry for not writing for hours, but I was testing system....So.I tried everything you proposed above - nothing helped - same problem,so I tried a more radical aproach.I bought new MB.GA P45 UD3R rev.1.0Installed everything from scratch (without adding rest of HDDs - only system one)So: Latest BIOS - F9 (loaded optimized defaults); 1 HDD (fresh formated); 1 DVD R/W; 2x2gb Geil; GPU; LAN; Audigy.Started fresh server 2008 install...Everything was going well, untill....After installing Audigy drivers, OS prompt for reboot, clicked OK - BSOD !!!Rebooted... System unstable ( Same story from the beginning) :(Ok....Pulled out audigy...Format C: ...Enabled onboard audio...Server 2008 reinstallEverything went well, installed realtek HD audio...Everything WORKS !!!For hours nowSo, I'm still hesitating to plug-in rest of HDD-s, but system is now stable without audigy...Is it possible ????That Audigy was making problems with 4gb of RAM, but not with 2gb ?????I'm confused.

**profJim** · 05-07-2009, 02:35 AM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

With your new mobo, I assume that you installed the Realtek audio drivers and software. Did you remove the Realtek drivers and disable on-board audio support before you installed the SB Audigy hardware and software?

I don't see how using different memory brands or capacities would cause your problems. I'm runnig win 2000 pro (sp4) with 2x2GB of memory, no problems.

Can you borrow some additional (2x2GB) memory to test with? As Psycho101 said, it might be that your Geil ram and mobo just don't work well together.

**qutlacha** · 05-07-2009, 03:05 AM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

Originally posted by profJim View Post

With your new mobo, I assume that you installed the Realtek audio drivers and software. Did you remove the Realtek drivers and disable on-board audio support before you installed the SB Audigy hardware and software?

I don't see how using different memory brands or capacities would cause your problems. I'm runnig win 2000 pro (sp4) with 2x2GB of memory, no problems.

Can you borrow some additional (2x2GB) memory to test with? As Psycho101 said, it might be that your Geil ram and mobo just don't work well together.

I will borrow some additional (2x2GB) memory today to test with, but one thing is bothering me:
At the first attempt of fresh install I disabled on-board audio, as I wanted to use my Audigy, but as it BSOD-ed after Audigy driver installation, I removed Audigy hardware, formated HDD, fresh installed OS - with on-board audio support enabled, then installed Realtek audio drivers and software. I also pluged-in rest of my HDDs. And system is stable for 12 hours now. Without any tweaks in BIOS. Strange.
I mean, it's great (the system actually works), but - with Audigy -BSOD, without Audigy (with on-board audio) - System works and it's stable.
Is it possible ???

**profJim** · 05-07-2009, 04:07 AM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

It's possible that there is an IRQ sharing/conflict issue with your Audigy sound card.
My P35-DS3L mobo will let you change IRQ assignments in the bios PnP/PCI Configurations panel.
If you disable the GB logo screen option, your system will display IRQ settings briefly after the initial boot screen. If you time it just right, you can freeze this screen by pressing the PAUSE key.

Some older audio cards have an on-board jumper that will let you select the IRQ assignment. Windows Device Manager will display an icon that indicates if there is a problem with loading any device drivers.

Have you tried loading only the Audigy drivers, without any Sound Blaster software? Is there a Creative forum that you can check for similar problems?

** edit ** Your new UD3R has the same PnP/PCI Configurations panel.

**qutlacha** · 05-07-2009, 08:53 AM

Re: GA-P35-DS4 + 4gb RAM ?

Originally posted by profJim View Post

It's possible that there is an IRQ sharing/conflict issue with your Audigy sound card.

Yes, but I don't understand in which way is IRQ sharing/conflict related with amount of RAM, as same Audigy worked flawlessly with 2x1gb, but not with 2x2gb in same PCI slot. And sorry for my ignorance, but is it possible ?
By the way, I tried with new RAM, though I took the same brand - Geil, but this one is 2x2gb PC6400 DDR2 Ultra Dual Channel Kit 4-4-4-12.
This one also works flawlessly. Changed latencies from auto (5-5-5-15) to 4-4-4-12, raised voltage from 1.8 to 2.0 (as specified on modules) - works
great, though speed performance is almost the same as Geil value 5-5-5-15, or is it just everest benchmark lie ?

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